Sept.23—The following is an edited transcript of the Sept. 16, opening remarks by Dr. Mark Perlmutter to the weekly Sare-Vega and Friends Monday night Zoom discussion.

Dr. Perlmutter, a hand and upper extremity orthopedic surgeon, is President of the World Surgical Foundation and past president of the United States section of the International College of Surgeons. He has served in over 40 life-saving missions in the last 30 years, including the 9/11 attack in Manhattan, the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina in Shreveport, Louisiana, and the 2010 earthquake in Haiti. According to Dr. Perlmutter, none of his previous experiences prepared him for the gruesome carnage he witnessed in Gaza.

What I mentioned earlier offline was that all those experiences that I’ve had in my life combined, didn’t exceed what we saw in our first week in Gaza—just the first week.

I personally brought in 700 pounds of medical supplies, with some partners I met for the first time in my life in Cairo, two hours before we drove through the Sinai for 15 hours to get there. Others brought in thousands of pounds of supplies. All of the literally tons and tons of supplies that we brought with us was gone in the first week. That’s how deprived the hospitals were.

When we got there, the overwhelming thing that shocked us was that the disproportionate density of the patients were children. Gaza is 50% high-school kids or younger; therefore, when a bomb—which is indiscriminate—drops on a tent city or an apartment building or a playground, a mosque, a Catholic church, or even on a synagogue (which existed in the Gaza Strip,) it didn’t really care who it killed. But certainly 50% of those or more who were killed were at least going to be children. A disproportionate number were children, and that’s because kids can’t be bouncing around as much. Kids are always concentrated, so the effect of a bomb when it’s dropped on a concentrated population, like a playground, is more effective. And then, the timing of the bombing was quite distinct. Although it was all day long, it was really concentrated at [at the time of] the evening prayers and evening dinners.

,000-Pound Bombs vs. Children

I was there during Ramadan, and the evening meal, Iftar. Around 4-4:30 p.m, the drones would start flying with more density overhead., sighting where the bombs were going to be dropped. The bombs would drop on areas where there were concentrations of people so that their lethal effectiveness was enhanced. These 2,000-lb. bunker-busting bombs are designed for underground—below concrete, 20-feet-below-the-ground secure bunkers in Afghanistan—not a collection of [surface] tent cities where the same bomb sends shrapnel through 500 tents and through [the bodies of] 50 people before it comes to rest inside of somebody’s chest.

The overwhelming thing that we were left with after a couple days was that this population was being targetted. We saw not a single combatant; not a single person who we could remotely think was a combatant. We did see people with sniper bullet wounds. A high-velocity bullet round has a distinctly different trauma pattern than a pistol round, and a distinctly different pattern than shrapnel from a bomb or the illegal cluster bombs that Israel was also dropping—supplied by our taxpayer dollars.

I personally saw two children who were shot twice by snipers; not once, twice. One father described that his kid was pulled out of his hands, not hearing any noises, he just felt him jerked out of his hands. He looked around and saw his child ten yards away. He saw him get shot with what he thought was the first time, but it was, in fact, the second time he was shot. The first shot is what knocked him ten yards away; it was right dead center where I would put my stethoscope. There was a classic high-velocity bullet wound with a small entrance hole. This kid, who was a toddler, was missing his entire back and all of his chest organs between his shoulder blades. I saw that twice in the same day!

The children would be brought to the Emergency Room ten or twenty minutes after a bombing; 90% of the patients were children—often three or four on the gurney at the same time. A third would be dead, a third would be dying, and 10% more would die. All were missing a limb or portions of a limb; all were shredded like paper or burnt like a hot dog that was left ignored on a grill. Because of the paucity of medical supplies deliberately imposed by the Israeli government, we were seeing kids die with 15% body burns. There is no country in the world where a child would die with 15% body burns. Not even in Honduras, where I go [on medical missions], in very austere environments, does a baby die with 15% body burns. Then, for the children with greater degrees of body burns—let’s just say I would lose my medical license if I revealed what we had to do to control their pain.

The second thing that we noticed was there was a lack of journalists. That’s why I’m speaking to you today. To speak to my first point that the population was being targetted, on the way into Gaza, through the open Rafah border, we saw what we thought was a wonderful thing: There were probably two or three miles of two trucks, side by side, waiting to get in as we did. You went through a process where you identified to the Israeli government who you were, what road you were going to be on, how long it was going to take you to get there. If you deviated from that, you were going to get a missile through your windshield.

Deliberate Withholding of Food

We were there when the World Central Kitchen vans were bombed. They each had six or seven people in them, six or seven cell phones, all of which had a positive green dot on it which said “You have been deconflicted. We know where you’re at; we can track you with military-grade GPS to within inches.” They had seven going in each van, so when that missile went through the hood of each van, it was deliberate. There was no mistaking who they were and that they were deconflicted and that their entire pathway was tracked out. They never deviated from the same road that we were on.

But on the way out of Gaza through the Rafah crossing, from the European-Gaza Hospital, which is only about 15 miles into the country and three miles from the Israeli border, what we saw were not three miles or two miles of trucks side by side—a row of two—we saw 30 miles of trucks. And not two by two. We saw them eight trucks wide, bumper to bumper. They had these really bizarre names on them like CARE, and UNHCR, and OXFAM, and Feed the Children, and multiple UN groups, and the Red Cross, and the Green Crescent. Those that weren’t marked were clearly overburdened with bananas and pineapples and watermelons and potatoes. And all this food was rotting in the sun, because Israel would not let them in because they would not deconflict them.

So, Israel was deliberately holding up water trucks and sanitation equipment and electrical service trucks, and generators, and food supplies, and trucks full of dead chickens. They were deliberately not letting them in, deliberately withholding food and medical aid. Add to that the deliberate bombing of hospitals and clinics, and the specific targetting of journalists and doctors and nurses, who were clearly victimized and clearly abused and clearly imprisoned inappropriately.

We had patients who were nurses, who had refused to leave the operating room because they were operating on somebody and were shot. One was shot in the knee, just because he refused to abandon a patient he was sewing up. He was taken to Israel with a bullet wound—half of his knee was missing—taken to an Israeli prison. He received no medical care; he was blindfolded, handcuffed, given a juice box a day, sometimes, most times every other day. He was dropped at the border on the 45th day of no medical care, maggots coming out of his leg. He was picked up after he had crawled three kilometers, just over a mile and a half, if I guess right, in the dirt, naked, not seeing where he’s going because his going away from the Israeli soldier who dropped him off who put a rifle butt in his right eye—for which he is now blinded forever. I met him when he was brought to the hospital where we were working. So, you have a starved, tortured health care worker who was deliberately targeted. He was clearly not Hamas, because they let him go.

Doctors Forced To Be Journalists

This is a perfect example of the next topic I’m thinking about: the reason why there were no journalists. That’s because they were also being assassinated or imprisoned or had their equipment confiscated. Even Al Jazeera, a respected news agency in the Middle East—they’re not even allowed within the Israeli borders right now. When you create a situation where the free press is not allowed in, and the only place the press is allowed to go is where the Israeli government takes them, then the truth will never be known. As we were leaving, we all decided that we had to become journalists. I’m way out of my normal element speaking to you. This is not where my comfort zone is, but the only way the truth is going to get out is if we say it.

I spoke to CNN, and after I told the interviewer what I’ve told you, she said, “Well, we can’t independently confirm that.” And I said, “No shit! That’s the story—that you should be able to confirm this. The fact that you’re not allowed in the country is the problem. As a journalist, why aren’t you doing back flips protesting that [lack of access] to the Israeli government? You abandoned your responsibility as a journalist.” And when I spoke to the nice people on CBS’ “Sunday Morning,” program, she asked me what the problem was, and I told the lady interviewing me, “You are the problem, as a representative of the legacy American media, because you’re protecting your viewers from the truth. You’re not doing the job that I’m trying to do.” She said, “Yeah, but it’s Sunday Morning, we have to be sensitive.” “To what? What better time of the week or hour of the Sunday do you need to tell the truth more than on a Sunday morning?”

So, CBS put pictures up of the two assassinated children; they were so pixilated it could have been a box of Dunkin Donuts, and nobody would have been able to tell the difference. So, the legacy media is a problem in the United States, largely for the same reasons that our elected officials are similarly the problem. They take money from very wealthy conservative Christian groups and from AIPAC [the American Israel Public Affairs Committee]. We don’t have term limits, and that makes people’s desire to get re-elected for money, I think, the problem.

Going back to Gaza, the overwhelming opinion of every doctor who was there, ergo every journalist who was there, was that this is a definitive genocide. Israel has two choices: A one-state solution, or a two-state solution, both of which have failed over decades and decades. If Israel, and therefore the United States—because they’re our puppet, and we are their puppet—if they would have been willing to accept it, it would have happened already. So, if they don’t accept the one-state solution and they don’t accept the two-state solution, their only other choice is to continue the apartheid state that they’ve been promulgating for the last 75 years.

Gaza has been nothing but an open-air prison for 75 years; no different than a super-max prison anywhere else in the world. The people of Gaza were not allowed to control their own electromagnetic space; they can’t control their ocean waters along the coast of Gaza. If they go 100 yards out in the Mediterranean, they get shot from a gunboat. It is literally an open-air prison. And if Israel can’t continue the apartheid for which South Africa was suing them, that leaves only one other choice, and that is genocide. And that is exactly what we witnessed.

Women and Children Are the Target

In conclusion, the Palestinian patients we saw, were mostly innocent women and children. Most of them that died were not collateral damage in Israel’s hunt for Hamas—that is, the one in 30,000 people in the Gaza Strip who are Hamas fighters. The Palestinian population was not a side effect that was inadvertently hurt; they were the focus of the bombings; they are the targets of the IDF [Israel Defense Forces].

That’s how you carry out a genocide. That’s why the children were targeted; that’s why mosques were targeted; that’s why all the hospitals were burned and closed. The hospital that I was at—they didn’t have to close it; it had a wall around it. The IDF could have put one of my taxpayer-bought Bradley Fighting Vehicles at each of the four entrances. They could have put somebody with an Uzi quite easily on the corner of every hallway and on every floor. They could have taken care and secured the hospital and continued to provide healthcare to the patients. But instead, they chose to close it. They could have run metal detectors over people; they could have confiscated their SIM cards, because they’re all Israeli SIM cards. Israel controls the telephone space. They could have searched their contacts; if this was a Hamas fighter, they would have been able to find out. Plus, they had facial recognition on all of them.

So, they could have kept the hospitals open, but they chose not to for the same reason that they bombed a water reservoir, and the water purification plants, and the chicken coops, and the museums, and every school. The two medical schools are now gravel. The reason why they did that is that they know that the best way to dehumanize the population is to kill the humans. It’s specifically a genocide going on, and our taxpayer dollars are paying for it. That’s why I went to Gaza, because I knew it was 50% children. And I knew that my tax dollars were responsible for killing innocent people. And that’s why I’m going back.

Colonel (ret.) Richard H. Black:

Palestinians Are Our Sisters and Brothers

Dr. Mark Perlmutter’s remarks to the September 16, Sare-Vega and Friends Monday night Zoom discussion, were followed by a response from Colonel (ret.) Richard H. Black. Col. Black served as a Marine helicopter pilot during the Vietnam War, was the head of the Pentagon’s Criminal Law Division, and served as both a Delegate and Senator in the Commonwealth of Virginia’s General Assembly.

It’s really an honor to be here with you tonight, Dr. Perlmutter. I want to thank you for having the courage to go over there, and to do the work that you did. And also, especially to have the courage to articulate to what we call the “civilized world” what barbaric things we are a party to.

I received a short video not long ago, of one of the children who had been wounded in Gaza. Just by way of background, I’ll tell you, I have a very intense combat background, and I’ve personally, with my hands, tried to put out the burning phosphorus that had engulfed a Marine on the battlefield. His eyes were burned out, his skin was sloughing off, and we rushed him out to a helicopter. Later that night, we heard he had died. I’ll tell you, every one of us who had been involved just prayed to God and thanked Him for delivering that man from his pain and suffering.

I’ll say that by far the most horrific thing I have ever seen is what I saw in that video from Gaza. It was of a single young girl about ten years old. She was in a place where people were trying to help her. I don’t know how she managed to stand, but she was standing on her feet, turning from one direction to the other trying to figure out what to do. As she stood there, there were pieces of her face—and I’m not talking about a fleck; I’m talking about handfuls of flesh falling to the floor. I saw this; I was so shocked, and it was so jarring to me, that I stood there with tears coming down my face, trying to think of a prayer. But what do you pray for this child other than a quick death? It is so stunning.

I know something can happen to one child that is just indescribable, but what I see is an organized effort to simply exterminate the people of Gaza as though they were Untermenschen [German for “subhuman”]; they were the under-people; they were the cockroaches of the world. But they aren’t; they are our living, breathing brothers and sisters. I find it indescribable that the government that represents me is a party to this. We provide those 2,000-lb. bombs. I dropped them in Vietnam as a forward air controller; I know what they do, and their impact is horrific.

Again, I’m just grateful to you, Dr. Perlmutter, for your courage and all that you’ve done. It’s extremely important.